Just because your organization passed a random walk through, which you all probably knew was going to happen, you should not have to pay any consequences for past actions right?

Since you are behaving in such an elementary manner, here is an elementary analogy. If you behave badly the whole year and start behaving like a good kid during the week of Christmas it doesn’t mean you’re getting gifts from Santa. It does mean you’ve known the right thing to do all along and just haven’t been doing them.

I certainly hope the administration makes an example of some of you if not all.

A disgruntled, spurned shall we say, convict, has sicced the Dartmouth administration on SAE. This is retribution on his part, for his arrest in his SAE fraternity. The College now gets to work on the scapegoat angle and make itself look like the good cop on the beat. This investigation would never be done of unionized people at Dartmouth, or anyone involved in LGBT, or any group of administrators, or professors, even if they had lots of evidence. Here, there is no evidence, which means we are now in store for an official Dartmouth Witch Hunt. This investigation and subsequent charging is a disgrace to the College. What the College is doing in charging 27 SAE members with no evidence is a blot on the Dartmouth reputation that will never be erased. This is an outrage and all Dartmouth students should protest this miscarriage of prosecution.

What’s most disturbing about this is that the college has deviated so drastically from their precedent, indicating that this really is just a campaign to save face in the media. In the fall, two fraternities were charged with hazing after SnS and HPo witnessed actually hazing events; however, these two fraternities were ONLY put on probation. And 27 members of SAE are faced with suspension or possible expulsion, because someone with a track record of poor judgement, drug abuse and felonies said it was so? There are three different published versions of his story (one saying he was forced to do things such as eat vomlettes, one saying he wasn’t forced but ‘persuaded’, and one saying he wasn’t there for that event but that it happened to other pledge). I don’t understand how the college can give two fraternities probation with concrete evidence of hazing, yet persecute individuals when there is no proof. This is absolutely ridiculous.

“Lohse declined to comment for this article, citing an exclusive arrangement with Rolling Stone magazine.” (College charges SAE members)

The administration’s willingness to place greater importance on the backlash of a public that is largely unfamiliar with the College, SAE, or Lohse’s background (and questionable credibility) than on justice and the well being of students is disgusting. Let us not forget that many of Lohse’s allegations lack evidence and consistency while it is a confirmed fact that Lohse was suspended for cocaine and spat on a member of his fraternity and urinated on his possessions when accused.

This news is extremely disconcerting as it proves, point blank, that the Dartmouth Administration does not have its students' best interests at heart. Instead of rashly charging 27 individuals based on flimsy evidence (no doubt, to show the media it has taken extreme action before the rolling stone article gets released), if the Administration truly cared about students' well beings, it would have taken a much more logical and intelligent approach. Instead of throwing 27 individuals under the bus and scaring them with potential suspension and expulsion threats, the Administration should have created an atmosphere in which candid and constructive dialogue could take place between all students, faculty and administrators. Quit obsessing over public image for once. If you are truly concerned about the students, create a safe space for dialogue. Work with the students to better student life.

Every Dartmouth student is being assaulted right now by the Dartmouth College administration. This administration attack on SAE is their way out of the “bad press” they are getting. Show them what real “bad press” is by supporting your fellow students who are being charged with no evidence, by a fellow fraternity member who not only was charged with evidence but admitted it. Now that same person won’t talk to the Dartmouth because he is making money off of this from the Rolling Stone Magazine that is going to trash Dartmouth with this person’s lies. He is making Dartmouth College and his fellow students pay by “getting” them and he is getting paid by Rolling Stone to do it. The administration is full of creeps and cowards who will do anything to “look” good. Don’t let them get away with it.

Equivalent to Mahoney’s response: I murdered several people, but not as many as I was originally accused of killing. Since then I have gone through counseling and while I was in jail, a prison guard walked into my cell unannounced and I was not murdering anyone. Yet the government is still pressing charges and refuses to work with me so I will murder fewer people in the future in a more transparent manner. Every citizen, police officer, murderer, and victim needs to contact the prosecutor’s office and stop me from being prosecuted for the crimes I committed!

I am embarrassed to go to a school where the administration would do such a thing just to save face.

As a prospective parent, I am now wondering just what type of kangaroo court is being held at Dartmouth, where justice could be disregarded and at whose expense. If the accuser is so unsubstantiated, why is the school not holding open discussions instead of court in order to decide fairly the fate of these students? I am seriously reconsidering whether I would allow my child to attend a school where she would thus be at the mercy of who knows what type of administrative rules? I have always taught her to be open and honest, but apparently this advice could fail her at Dartmouth.

@ Not buying it. “Murder”? “Murder”? Well, that does it. I"m now convinced that the “Lynch Them Now Mainline All The Kool-Aid Brigade” has got to be right and the College must therefore also be correct. With airtight logic like no evidence and a direct comparison to serial murderers there is nothing more to say on this subject. “@ Not buying it” is insane and I’ve known that the administration is insane for a while now.

As a student member of the Committee on Standards, I’m disappointed by Mr. Mahoney’s implication that the COS conducts unfair persecution of Greek-letter organizations. COS hearings endeavor to be very impartial and to try and understand all the facts, although those facts are often hard to determine due to the secrecy and uncertainty of the people involved. I have never voted to sanction a person or organization based on “hazy” evidence or speculation of what happened.

I’m sure the 27 are not all angels, but no one seems able to come up with anyone who was done any harm by SAE’s new member ceremonies. What will be hysterical is now that the 27 have been taught that uncorroborated assertions by a single vindictive individual is the gold standard for launching a full formal inquest, probably 70% of all students and organizations will be charged with something within a few weeks.

We all need to remember that, in the college’s eyes, embarrassing the administration is a far bigger crime than hazing or underage drinking and is going to be prosecuted as such. SAE is simply feeling the unfortunate affects of the administrators putting their own reputations above student welfare. Congrats to Mahoney for not rolling over and letting the administration unfairly prosecute his fraternity.

Long ago, I was in a fraternity. Yes, the pledges experienced “hazing”. Yes, we all knew there would be some amount of it. And yes, we all went through it and did not complain to the university. It was voluntary. Any of us could have walked away at any time just as any of the SAE pledges could have walked away. I’m glad to see the fraternity is addressing the issue to the benefit of the future members. Now about the actions of the administration against the fraternity and the 27 individuals, based on the allegations of a single person, there will certainly be 27 sets of pissed off paying customers (commonly called parents), which could lead to a continued PR nightmare for Dartmouth. From what I have seen so far, the administration is not anticipating nor considering the negative fallout from their actions. Who’s in charge here? Is this what the university’s endowment and tuition payments are supporting? The paying customers want to know.

Kim, Spalding and Johnson, “Oh, lookee here. There’s a powerful bad storm o' PR a brewin' up here on the Dartmouth Bounding Plain. What do we do, what do we do?” they cried. “I know, make 27 o' the mateys walk the plank and then keel haul ‘em for a while until the seas die down. Some heads need to roll and as long as they aren’t ours, it’s all good ya know.” “But there isn’t any evidence.” “Evidence shmevidence, since when did we need that for anything? There is decades of precedent of the College kangaroo courting anyone it wants to including students, Trustees, professors or anyone we can throw out who isn’t one of us…not an administrator.” “Oh good, this sounds like a great idea.” If this doesn’t sink the good ship “Nasty (Dartmouth) College” it will at least start the taking on of a whole lot of water.

The greater danger to the college’s reputation comes in not taking allegations seriously. The perception is that there is an expectation that money can buy immunity from consequences. It would be nice if everyone paid more attention to what the faculty have to say on these issues as they witness the everyday and long-term toll that this lifestyle takes on the students.

So…the college is embarrassed ???– they should be embarrassed by admitting Andrew Lohse into the college in the first place – he has been suspended twice, uses drugs, spit on a witness and assaulted a female member of Safety and Security. Did they not think he would try and create some sort of angst on his way out??? The Kim administration has handled this very ineptly

yes! Parents are already lawyering up.

Parents should be getting lawyers and the lawyers will be appalled. Should these students, some of whom are supposed to graduate, sit back and say, yes please insult them after three or four years of hard work. They also wont mind losing jobs earned from long toil at internships. Please feel free to take their stellar reputations and tarnish them not only here so they are embarassed to walk at their own campus,at what has been their beloved school, but also all over the national news. A sour exit, anger not soon to be forgotten. Lohse is laughing all the way to the Rolling Stones bank. Where is your evidence – MORE importantly, where is your HONOR?? Wake up admninistration, please wake up!!