Alumni express mixed reactions to hazing case
By Tom Owen, The Dartmouth Staff
Published on Wednesday, February 1, 2012
Despite the strong hazing accusations recently leveled by Andrew Lohse ’12 against his former fraternity in a Jan. 25 opinion column, alumni interviewed by The Dartmouth said they generally do not view hazing as posing as significant a threat to the College community as Lohse suggested. Several alumni said that although they experienced a wide variety of fraternity initiation activities while at Dartmouth, they would not characterize those activities as hazing.
John Mathias ’69, former Alumni Council president and a former member of Phi Delta Alpha fraternity, said he never participated in or witnessed any initiation activities that he would consider hazing.
“I was actually the rush chair at Phi Delt, and we didn’t haze our pledges, period,” Mathias said. “Certainly nothing that even approaches what was in the paper.”
Mathias said that although he is not able to speak for other fraternities, he is certain that stories of hazing would have reached him through campus conversation. He also said that drinking beer as part of a pledge initiation “wouldn’t surprise him,” but that fraternities did not engage in activities similar to what Lohse described.
“If you have to chug a beer, is that hazing?” Mathias said. “If you have to chug two beers, is that hazing? Those things happened, but whether those physically degrading things happened or not, I never saw it. I didn’t do it, and we didn’t do it.”
John Daukas ’84, president of the Association of Alumni and chair of the ad hoc Committee to Support Greek Letter Organizations, said that during his time as a member of Kappa Sigma fraternity — now Chi Gamma Epsilon fraternity — and throughout his work with CSG, he has not considered hazing to be a major campus problem.
In 2010, CSG members met with College President Jim Yong Kim, former President James Wright, College deans and administrators involved in overseeing the Greek system, fraternity and sorority presidents and Greek organization members and reported their findings in May 2011, according to Daukas. Although the committee identified a number of challenges facing Greek organizations, including poorly maintained physical plants and binge drinking, the report did not conclude hazing as an issue.
“We didn’t hear from anyone that we spoke with that hazing was a problem,” Daukas said. “We did a good deal of outreach, and it wasn’t an issue.”
Daukas described pledge term activities in the early 1980s as mostly light-hearted and humorous. Many fraternities made pledges carry awkward objects such as a wrench, sledgehammer, lunchbox or cane. Some new members carried “pledge kits” with miscellaneous trinkets. Daukas recalled that while he was a pledge, he carried a book that all the members of the house had to sign, an effective method of learning the names of older members.
A less benign practice that was falling out of favor during Daukas’ time at the College the “pledge raid,” in which brothers would kidnap pledges, drive them away from campus and drop them off in far-flung locations or at women’s colleges. Many fraternity members called for an end to the practice due to its hazardous nature, according to Daukas.
“My attitude about hazing, and I hope this is still the case, is that the sort of people who went to Dartmouth had enough self-confidence that they wouldn’t put up with hazing,” Daukas said. “Dartmouth students should be capable of just saying, ‘I don’t need this garbage.’”
Daukas said that hazing detracts from the community-driven purpose of Greek organizations, which should help foster lifelong friendships and serve as campus social spaces.
“The theory that I’ve heard about how going through traumatic events all together will make them closer — I think that’s a load of junk,” Daukas said. “I love the Greek system, but it is not a place for doing dehumanizing and embarrassing things.”
More active alumni involvement could help minimize hazing on campus, according to Daukas.
“If hazing is going on, there’s got to be a rapid cultural shift,” he said. “Some people may say, ‘It’s always gone on, it’s always been this way,’ and they’ve got to get out of this mindset.”
A more recent alumnus and a former member of Alpha Delta fraternity, John Harlow ’04 said that he was “surprised” by both the level of peer pressure and the graphic content that Lohse described in his editorial.
“I never experienced being made to do things I didn’t want to do,” Harlow said. “I don’t think it’s any secret that Dartmouth students drink more than is healthy, which goes for Greek organizations too, but the details [of the editorial] seemed pretty bizarre and foreign.”
Harlow said that initiation practices could theoretically be valuable experiences for new members but that in practice they often do not serve a beneficial purpose.
“The idea behind it is positive, because you’re asked to spend a lot of time with these people — some who you know, some who you’re just getting to know — and you have a common bonding experience,” Harlow said. “But [fraternities are] run by 21 and 22-year-olds — which is usually a great thing at Dartmouth, [and] I really cherished the amount of student run organizations where there were opportunities to be a leader — but people can make big mistakes at that age, and when there’s a bunch of alcohol involved, there’s going to be consequences.”
Clark Griffiths ’57 Th ’58, who was a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity as an undergraduate and has advised the organization as the trustee since 1962, said that Lohse’s allegations were unmerited and that the house has met the expectations of the national organization and of the College.
Griffiths acknowledged that some initiation activities take place at SAE but said that Lohse’s motivation for making such accusations against his former fraternity was his anger at being suspended from the chapter, the national organization and the College.
“Our policy has basically been that you don’t have brutal hazing, to a certain extent, for years and years,” Griffiths said. “Hazing was a thing associated with ‘Hell Night,’ which happened just before you were actually initiated. It’s never been a very good thing, but I think that what’s been published was exaggerated because he was ticked off at the fraternity and at the College.”
Griffiths said that SAE started a new alumni advisory committee in April, which has been investigating the allegations. The brothers have been “very responsive” to the committee and that the committee is under the impression that the allegations were false, according to Griffiths.
“I don’t think that hazing was an issue at all in the last initiation,” Griffiths said. “I can’t really speak to what happened prior to that, but I don’t think that it was ever quite as bad as Lohse made it out to be.”
Griffiths described his ‘Hell Night’ in 1954, which he said was “nothing terribly serious.”
“The paddling wasn’t that bad — freshmen used to have to run through a line of seniors to be paddled,” Griffiths said. “You would also be blindfolded and they would put an oyster in a cow’s stomach and you’d eat the oyster from the stomach. It was pretty goofy stuff.”
He also described how new members would take a trip during their pledge term, which he remembers as “spectacular.”
“I played the accordion and my friend played the bagpipes, and he had to wear a kilt, and we had to go down to Smith [College] and get our pictures taken in front of five dorms playing our instruments,” Griffiths said.
Griffiths said SAE pledges are increasingly engaging in service work, including serving meals at David’s House, which Griffiths sees as a much more positive process than hazing. He also said that Lohse’s actions should not represent the character of the fraternity as a whole.
“We’ve had some great brothers and some not-so-great brothers,” Griffiths said. “Lohse falls into the category of not the kind of guy we really wanted.”
Liz Leonard ’04, who was unaffiliated while at Dartmouth, said that students occasionally discussed hazing, but since fraternity members were usually secretive about pledge term activities, there was a lack of serious, ongoing campus dialogue about the issue.
“I remember people saying that they were sworn to secrecy,” Leonard said. “Part of the bonding experience was that nobody knew about it.”
Leonard said that the campus rumors related to hazing did not amount to the level of Lohse’s allegations. She remembered hearing that one organization’s pledges were forced to drink milk as fast as they could until they were sick, which she described as “not something you can condone” but not as traumatizing as the graphic activities described in Lohse’s article.
Leonard also said that alumni, whether they were affiliated or not, maintain such a high degree of loyalty to Dartmouth that they typically remember their undergraduate years as more happy than they actually were.
“It’s been almost ten years, and all of my friends look back with rose-colored glasses,” Leonard said. “It was -12 degrees at noon when I was a senior, but you tend to brush those things off. Whether you were entrenched in the Greek system or not, you look at it as just another experience.”
Ahhh.. the whitewash begins. For students who have better memories, and who were willing to go on the record, please see: http://www.dartblog.com/data/2012/01/009989.php and http://www.dartblog.com/data/2012/01/009995.php
As regards the comments in this story on Andrew Lohse, let’s focus on the message and not on the messenger.
By Joseph Asch ‘79 on Feb 1 | 8:54 am
It’s a little strange to see otherwise upright 65-year-old men (John Mathias) claim to be blissfully ignorant about the silly games college boys play with each other. Yes, hazing happens at Dartmouth frats — and yes, you know about it, John.
By Anon on Feb 1 | 9:13 am
It’s good to see that Spalding has trotted out Mathias and Daukas to let us in on the truth here. I bet Engleman is preparing another letter to the editor right now.
By DartBored on Feb 1 | 10:17 am
So Clark Griffiths has just admitted that SAE absolutely hazes by saying “Hazing was a thing associated with ‘Hell Night,’ which happened just before you were actually initiated. It’s never been a very good thing, but I think that what’s been published was exaggerated because he was ticked off at the fraternity and at the College.”
Will the Administration and S&S finally go after these criminals? Everyone knows this happens, Clark Griffiths has just admitted it and numerous SAE alums have confirmed it. Let’s kick SAE off campus so these ridiculous dehumanizing practices can stop.
And to John Mathias – forcing a pledge to chug beers is absolutely hazing. Forcing them to ingest ANYTHING is hazing by definition. Forcing your pledges to put out a fire with their boot, which is a tradition at Phi Delt, is also hazing John. Don’t try to downplay it, someone could die from these practices. Is the administration brain dead???
By My head is spinning on Feb 1 | 11:03 am
To “My Head…” Learn to read a little more closely. Clark Griffiths pledged over 55 years ago. I think the statute of limitations has run out on that one, you fool!
By Able to read on Feb 1 | 11:29 am
applications to dartmouth may be up, however slightly, but the college is loosing many top students—men and women— who would otherwise be drawn to the college but are put off by the pervasiveness of the greek system—-and hazing is only part of the reason. This is true at least at high schools public and private in the DC region. too many potential applicants love everything else about the college but pass on applying becasue they hate the greek scene. Not only does dartmouth lose poptential applicants, but the majority of those who do apply and get in regular decision elect to attend another school—-and the pervasiveness fo the greek system is a big reason. Dartmouth’s 39 percent yield on regular decision admits will never go up much until this system is replaced, or, more realistically, another system to house/bond students is set up that will at least minimize the greek omnipresence. A rival system would allow those who want to be part of a frat/soro to do so but would enable the college to entice a far higher number of accepted students who don’t. right now for too many regular decision applicants dartmouth is a fall back in case they they don’t get into hypsm. if you really want to compete with those schools for the best students and get RD yield up to theirs you have to change the system so that the greeks don’t dominate the social scene. most students hate it. Hazing should end but that’s not all that’s wrong with the frats/soros on campus. Their reign should end.
By anon on Feb 1 | 11:50 am
anon,
Dartmouth’s yield is low because of all the kids who apply to every Ivy and then go to whichever is the highest rated they get into. I’d rather have a class of students who WANT to go to Dartmouth for a differentiating factor like having a strong Greek system or a focus on undergraduates, etc. I’m sorry you didn’t get into Harvard or Yale or wherever it was you actually wanted to go, but please don’t make us a b-side version of those schools because of it.
By Alum on Feb 1 | 1:03 pm
i heard chi gam makes their pledges eat human hearts
By Anonymous on Feb 1 | 1:08 pm
So does The Dartmouth really believe that interviewing a few alumni who went through their initiation decades ago would somehow suffice in reflecting the campus culture and climate today? Wouldn’t interviewing recent alumni have been more helpful in getting to the current practices? Back when some of these alumni went to school they didn’t have computers or cellphones. So would you then ask them to comment on the texting and email culture on campus of today?
By Anonymous on Feb 1 | 1:30 pm
@anon – I’m only going to respond to a few of your points that are clearly false without getting embroiled in the rest of the debate.
First, you state that many applicants love everything else about the college but pass on applying because they hate the greek scene. This seems reasonable to me. However, that does not mean that the greek system is a net negative. I felt the same way prior to applying, decided to give it a try, had a tough freshman year, gave a fraternity a try against my expectations only a year before hand, and absolutely loved it. It turned Dartmouth, and college around for me in a total 180. I don’t think I could ever find something more rewarding.
Second, you state that most students hate it [the greek system]. This is patently false. Over 60% of eligible undergraduates are members in a Greek Letter society. I don’t believe there are any statistics that indicate that the other 40% “hate” the system, not any evidence that those that are affiliated “hate” the system judging by the low number of members that de-pledge or become inactive.
Third, a lot of the problems that you isolate could just as easily be blamed on the lack of a college bar social scene or the relative isolation of a rural college like Dartmouth. The greek system is powerful and large because there are not a lot of alternatives, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. The situation could even become worse without our unique and open greek system that is actually much less exclusive and overbearing than some other peer institutions.
By Affiliated ‘12 on Feb 1 | 1:47 pm
Really Joe Asch? Separate the message from the messenger? Wouldn’t you think that when delving into serious accusations that could lead to people being in trouble with the law you would look at exactly why they chose now to come out about it? I believe they call that motive. Also please see the two previous Lohse articles when he didnt get his way. Guess nobody wants to hire a cocaine addict….
And to the anon post, if we are losing potential candidates now due to the prevalence of the greek system, who do you think we will have left when we have no social scene whatsoever? We’re in the middle of the woods with few bars, and I for one chose this school over other ivys as a result of the greek system. I will come out and say it, take greek system away and you remove what makes Dartmouth students socially competent and worldly instead of huge nerds like every other ivy.
By Really Asch? on Feb 1 | 2:04 pm
At a time when his frat is getting battered by the press and the community, the trustee of 50 years makes a bunch of statements about his own hazing and shows a complacent attitude towards hazing in general. Maybe Mr. Griffiths is part of the problem at SAE? He certainly doesn’t seem to be part of the solution.
By anon on Feb 1 | 2:06 pm
met the expectations of the national and the college- exactly the problem. socially competent and wordly- aka being comfortable with bad things most students hate it- not true. some do, but most just have qualms or things theyd like to change. bad things about frats exist elsewhere too. think about the alternatives, not just what youre getting rid of
By anon 14 on Feb 1 | 3:01 pm
60 percent participation doesn’t mean 60 percent love it —-many are reluctant participants. And surely there’s another sytsem that would provide a social scene other than a greek. you don’t have to eliminate greek houses but their prominence hinders the school. And really, you only want students there who WANT to be in a frat or soro or in an environment where it dominates? someone should do some serious polling and find out how many members of greek orgs reallly love it or do it reluctantly or because there’s nothing else—-beyond some powerful and rich alumni who can’t get over it who really supports this? there can still be frats but look at D’s peers——no other school has this monolithic social system. none. and many smart kids who are exactly the students D wants pass on applying because of that, or accept another’s offer over D because of it. look at the RD yield rate. it’s lower than almost all the other ivies and other peer schools. it says of RDs acdepted, more than 60 percent accept another offer. The greek dominance is a big reason why.
By anon on Feb 1 | 7:19 pm
To “Really Asch?”: Ha! If Dartmouth students could drink enough to become socially competent and worldly, they would have done so. Alas, these divisive systems you defend have kept us awkward and sheltered.
By anon 11 on Feb 5 | 8:51 am